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		<title>By: Nancy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nancy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 05:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you know if Vestfrost is available in Canada? I live in B.C.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know if Vestfrost is available in Canada? I live in B.C.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Di Lorenzo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa Di Lorenzo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 13:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry for all the posts!  I just wanted to add to David H&#039;s post regarding the model being sold by Summit.  Indeed, Summit mentions it on their website still currently (2011), as being made for them by Vestfrost of Denmark.

http://www.summitappliance.com/catalog/model/cp171w

A couple of online reviewers complain of knocking noises, however.  I was wondering...could this have to do with the transport over a large distance?  Although some people suggest that fridge/freezer on its back is okay, so long as you leave the unit upright for the same amount of time that it was laid on its back so that the oil can drain back into the compressor, AND some even go one step further and suggest that if you are laying it flat, then it&#039;s better to lay it on its side, with the location where the compressor tube juts out at the topmost, it seems that I have also read accounts that it is highly preferable to keep it upright, and even if you have to put it on a handcart, with a slight tilt, then do so only with one particular side tilted higher.

It has to do with the way the compressor tubes are mounted, and so I wonder if this could apply to this model, and improper transportation could have resulted in the knocking noise:

http://ezinearticles.com/?How-to-Move-a-Fridge-Effectively&amp;id=4694799

Or perhaps these people didn&#039;t leave it upright for some time before plugging it in??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for all the posts!  I just wanted to add to David H&#8217;s post regarding the model being sold by Summit.  Indeed, Summit mentions it on their website still currently (2011), as being made for them by Vestfrost of Denmark.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.summitappliance.com/catalog/model/cp171w" rel="nofollow">http://www.summitappliance.com/catalog/model/cp171w</a></p>
<p>A couple of online reviewers complain of knocking noises, however.  I was wondering&#8230;could this have to do with the transport over a large distance?  Although some people suggest that fridge/freezer on its back is okay, so long as you leave the unit upright for the same amount of time that it was laid on its back so that the oil can drain back into the compressor, AND some even go one step further and suggest that if you are laying it flat, then it&#8217;s better to lay it on its side, with the location where the compressor tube juts out at the topmost, it seems that I have also read accounts that it is highly preferable to keep it upright, and even if you have to put it on a handcart, with a slight tilt, then do so only with one particular side tilted higher.</p>
<p>It has to do with the way the compressor tubes are mounted, and so I wonder if this could apply to this model, and improper transportation could have resulted in the knocking noise:</p>
<p><a href="http://ezinearticles.com/?How-to-Move-a-Fridge-Effectively&#038;id=4694799" rel="nofollow">http://ezinearticles.com/?How-to-Move-a-Fridge-Effectively&#038;id=4694799</a></p>
<p>Or perhaps these people didn&#8217;t leave it upright for some time before plugging it in??</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Di Lorenzo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa Di Lorenzo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 11:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=refrig.display_products_html" rel="nofollow">http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?fuseaction=refrig.display_products_html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Di Lorenzo</title>
		<link>http://greenlivingottawa.com/2007/07/11/environmentally-friendly-refrigeration-or-how-to-buy-a-conserv-fridge-in-ottawa/#comment-1923</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa Di Lorenzo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Apr 2011 10:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops, sorry! That model is the Summit freezer.  But in any case, their appliances are energy efficient.  eg. They have listed: 317kWh/a fridge /freezer model: http://www.summitappliance.com/catalog/model/CP97R
I am wanting confirmation that kWh/a rating is for both the fridge AND freezer, as it does seem quite low.

However, I see from further reading, that Conserv and Vestfrost are exemplary in terms of using recycled parts for components.

I can also, however, mention Liebherr has a good track record, having been the first company to go completely CFC free.  However, our Liebherr CS1350 unit is estimated to use 2*439kWh/a = 878 kWh/a (half for the fridge, and half for the freezer).  

Now what I&#039;d really like to do is get an electricity usage monitor and plug the fridge/freezer into it to verify...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, sorry! That model is the Summit freezer.  But in any case, their appliances are energy efficient.  eg. They have listed: 317kWh/a fridge /freezer model: <a href="http://www.summitappliance.com/catalog/model/CP97R" rel="nofollow">http://www.summitappliance.com/catalog/model/CP97R</a><br />
I am wanting confirmation that kWh/a rating is for both the fridge AND freezer, as it does seem quite low.</p>
<p>However, I see from further reading, that Conserv and Vestfrost are exemplary in terms of using recycled parts for components.</p>
<p>I can also, however, mention Liebherr has a good track record, having been the first company to go completely CFC free.  However, our Liebherr CS1350 unit is estimated to use 2*439kWh/a = 878 kWh/a (half for the fridge, and half for the freezer).  </p>
<p>Now what I&#8217;d really like to do is get an electricity usage monitor and plug the fridge/freezer into it to verify&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Di Lorenzo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa Di Lorenzo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Apr 2011 23:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m wondering if the Summit WMV07 is comparable?  Most of their products are made in NY, so it&#039;s not transported very far.  They just recently couldn&#039;t meet demand with skilled workers so they set up operation in another US state, as well as Mexico, but they&#039;ve also invested $300,000 into training their workers locally to step up their own manufacturing in NY, where they prefer to keep it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering if the Summit WMV07 is comparable?  Most of their products are made in NY, so it&#8217;s not transported very far.  They just recently couldn&#8217;t meet demand with skilled workers so they set up operation in another US state, as well as Mexico, but they&#8217;ve also invested $300,000 into training their workers locally to step up their own manufacturing in NY, where they prefer to keep it.</p>
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		<title>By: jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jamie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is your fridge still running well? Any need for that warranty?
Because this is classified as a commercial unit here in Canada, is this fridge running louder than a regular residential fridge?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is your fridge still running well? Any need for that warranty?<br />
Because this is classified as a commercial unit here in Canada, is this fridge running louder than a regular residential fridge?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I do admire those trying to solve some of the issues , I&#039;ve actually done something by Inventing a simple item to reduce specific eco-damage by 80% .
 I also filled a patent for another item to launch Globally as a Universal-Design  product that runs at 50% of the Electrical loads for current similar products, and I made it to the Accessibility Codes and Modular to Reduce packaging by 25% and the weight by about 30% .

  I&#039;m far too busy to do Commercials where I invade people&#039;s homes via a B&amp;E and then preach to them about their lack of effort to help save the Planet.
  Commercials and the Production to make them use vast amounts of GHG power sources 
for Lights and the Diesel  Vehicle trucks for mobile Studios and Make-up trailers for the super-stars.

    I guess i could start a Non-Profit  ECO scam to get funding to post a website about everyone else being poluters , but it&#039;s better for me to keep up the fight to stop those Auto-races and AirShows in Toronto along with the Parades that have Diesel Trucks pulling the floats and Diesel truck driving generators to power the Concession Booth that sell water in Plastic Bottles while Toronto is right on the shore of Lake Ontario.

 Sorry folks, Ontario and Toronto want all of use in Buggies pulled by Hybrid robotic animals running on solar cells .
  The polution crisis is to fool people while the real plan is to make everyone poor except the White-Elites like Gore and Bill Gates .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I do admire those trying to solve some of the issues , I&#8217;ve actually done something by Inventing a simple item to reduce specific eco-damage by 80% .<br />
 I also filled a patent for another item to launch Globally as a Universal-Design  product that runs at 50% of the Electrical loads for current similar products, and I made it to the Accessibility Codes and Modular to Reduce packaging by 25% and the weight by about 30% .</p>
<p>  I&#8217;m far too busy to do Commercials where I invade people&#8217;s homes via a B&amp;E and then preach to them about their lack of effort to help save the Planet.<br />
  Commercials and the Production to make them use vast amounts of GHG power sources<br />
for Lights and the Diesel  Vehicle trucks for mobile Studios and Make-up trailers for the super-stars.</p>
<p>    I guess i could start a Non-Profit  ECO scam to get funding to post a website about everyone else being poluters , but it&#8217;s better for me to keep up the fight to stop those Auto-races and AirShows in Toronto along with the Parades that have Diesel Trucks pulling the floats and Diesel truck driving generators to power the Concession Booth that sell water in Plastic Bottles while Toronto is right on the shore of Lake Ontario.</p>
<p> Sorry folks, Ontario and Toronto want all of use in Buggies pulled by Hybrid robotic animals running on solar cells .<br />
  The polution crisis is to fool people while the real plan is to make everyone poor except the White-Elites like Gore and Bill Gates .</p>
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		<title>By: greenlivingottawa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[greenlivingottawa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 02:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think Brault and Martineau ship outside of the Outaouais. However, you could try calling Grand Chef in Montreal to ask if they distribute or sell the ConServ through any retailers in your area.

Good question about the warranty.  We did get a warranty of some sort, and declined the usual extended warranty that so many stores now try to sell you.  However, I can&#039;t remember exactly what the warranty is.  I&#039;ll have to do some rummaging through files to get that answer for you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think Brault and Martineau ship outside of the Outaouais. However, you could try calling Grand Chef in Montreal to ask if they distribute or sell the ConServ through any retailers in your area.</p>
<p>Good question about the warranty.  We did get a warranty of some sort, and declined the usual extended warranty that so many stores now try to sell you.  However, I can&#8217;t remember exactly what the warranty is.  I&#8217;ll have to do some rummaging through files to get that answer for you.</p>
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		<title>By: David H</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David H]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the info.  Does it have any warranty when purchased through B&amp;M?  Will they ship across country?

I found the same fridge marketed as the Summit CP171SS and distributed in Canada by http://www.europeanhri.com/about.html

The price is quite a bit cheaper (~$1400 + shipping), but the vendor (Summit) doesn&#039;t have much for warranty or service in Canada?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info.  Does it have any warranty when purchased through B&amp;M?  Will they ship across country?</p>
<p>I found the same fridge marketed as the Summit CP171SS and distributed in Canada by <a href="http://www.europeanhri.com/about.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.europeanhri.com/about.html</a></p>
<p>The price is quite a bit cheaper (~$1400 + shipping), but the vendor (Summit) doesn&#8217;t have much for warranty or service in Canada?</p>
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		<title>By: greenlivingottawa</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 19:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know the ConServ is a bit pricey but I really couldn&#039;t find a similar quality eco-friendly fridge available in North America for less.  In Europe Ikea sells some great eco-friendly energy-efficient inexpensive fridges (see the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/&quot; title=&quot;ikea uk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;UK site&lt;/a&gt;).  Unfortunately they do not sell these fridges in North America.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the ConServ is a bit pricey but I really couldn&#8217;t find a similar quality eco-friendly fridge available in North America for less.  In Europe Ikea sells some great eco-friendly energy-efficient inexpensive fridges (see the <a href="http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/" title="ikea uk" rel="nofollow">UK site</a>).  Unfortunately they do not sell these fridges in North America.</p>
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